[Jah Billah]

shayt...just have finished dubbin no women no cry. so this means can't post it?

[IRISH MOSS]

Share it w your friends man.

I can't have tracks owned by Rita Marley being posted here. It's common sense. Marley owned songs are heavily protected and will be prosecuted. His recordings are some of the most heavily purchased cds for sale in record stores. I'm not going to make a legal issue with the Marley Family. Not now. Not ever. On principle and out of respect for Bob and anyone who worked alongside him.

I agree the tracks are a blast to dub and I can't blame you for doing the same thing I did and making my own B sides of some of my favorite songs. I have no idea how these tracks were distributed for us to dub. I wondered at times if it was a trap or a hijacked remix that was licensed.

Reggaedubwise.com was intended as an original music site. If we are posting unlicensed versions of the most well known and loved reggae artist of all time, we are crossing a lot of boundaries of respect and legality. There is so much good music posted in the first 5 months of this sites beginning, that it would take as many months to get to listen to them all.

Let's just keep the original works flowing and think forward about how to promote your songs are for sale in the store and up for streaming and downloading. I have to pick up my end on this for my own works. Promoting for reggaedubwise made me realize I had backed off on promoting my dubs and such when I upload them. With all the other avenues of promotion out there, it's a shame to not give a promotion blast a try and see if you can't get some people to listen to your tracks showcased and perhaps buy one in the store. Little trickle turns to a flow. Never know...

I think back in the old days, I made more of an effort to post bulletins that I had uploaded a new dub version and let people know they could log in and get a copy. I have been collecting various dubs for potential net eps and such. I am planning to start promoting these things whether free or for sale, more than I have in recent months. Yes, I would like it to help the site and get more of everyone's songs streamed, downloaded and sold.

There has been a lot of talk recently about free downloads hurting labels and how noone is going to buy our mp3s. Well it's not really true. People are selling mp3s. It may not be enough to get a grill or something right off the bat but I don't think people here were intending to anyhow. But the idea has already had a solid feedback, that people will try to support music. I have had people on line write on myspace, the old v etc and ask where they could buy some tunes. I didn't really have any for sale anywhere. So now I'm trying to put a few up for stream free and sale for own. Who knows? I'm not promoting my own works as much as I am the whole community. I guess I should get hitting that as well. I'm not going to b s anyone that promoting your own works here helps my site. It does. I appreciate it cuz this thing costs a few grills worth of $$. I think it equally helps to promote an artist and their music and let the artist have some control over the situation. It would be a great pleasure to see an artist from here signed for wide scale distribution.

I knew from the start that Reggaedubwise.com would be a solid community, finding ways to make their work more widely heard and potentially providing a source of income. I have always believed there was a great deal of talent within this online community of ours. I don't think we would be here if I didn't. I would say the future is based on what we do with the tools we can utilize.

[David Pablo]

Originally Posted by IRISH MOSS

Riddim Police definitely did some work for the community in the past. .....

There were some unfortunate situations like when a singer sang a line that was paraphrased from psalms and get their tune struck for quoting the bible, like Bob Marley. LOL... Paraphrasing, rhetoric and quoting is a big part of reggae music lyrics. Can't really argue that one. ...

There were a few questionable ones that got struck but many were obviously no good and it was good to have em knocked out........

LOL..yes indeed.The way I became aware of the Riddim Police was I had a tune deleted simply because I quoted a Hendrix lyric in the song description ,with full credit like this:

"quote"-James Marshall Hendrix

If the RP were to be implemented again, I would suggest the following proceedure-

First,downloading of the questionable material is disabled,and the alleged suspect is notified via email to provide a response stating they have permission to use said material.This response is archived in Rob or Carl's account,which will provide ,if ever necessary, proof in court that the poster assumes full legal responsibility ,and will thus take the fall in court ,and not the site,Carl or Rob.
If no response is provided within,say,2 hours, then the tune must be deleted .I would assume most folks who post a tune usually check back in within a few hours to check it's status,so 24 hours seems reasonable.If for whatever reason, the person cannot respond within that time frame but does have legal rights to said material, it really is not to hard for them to simply re-post,once it has been cleared with admin.
So how , exactly , does one get "permission" to remake a song? There are agency's, like Harry Fox
http://www.harryfox.com

where one can purchase mechanical rights to pretty much any tune under the sun.The cost is basically around $30 plus about $0.30 per copy anticipated ,with I recall 500 being a minimum, which translates to about $60 to make and sell/distribute 500 copies of your remake.
This is why I'm well vex,of course, over Tony's cd being bootleged, as it cost him quite considerable amount of money to clear all of the songs before putting out the cd (partly why the cd took 6 years for him to make).
But, if one were to feel strongly enough about there remake of a commercial song to post it ,why not go all the way and drop the $60 -which allows one to actually make some bread from selling it in a legit fashion? I felt stongly enough ,at one time,about a collab on a cover song that I bought the rights to said song.The deal fell through,the song was never completed.While I could probably use that $60 right now I have no regrets over paying it,as I sleep well at night knowing I own the rights for something that might manifest itself in the future if and when the right collaborator comes along or I decide to sing it myself (which I wouldn't post here-the site would def be shut down over noise pollution complaints LOL)

Originally Posted by IRISH MOSS

There is always going to be something. Someone let's a voicing loose on a released riddim. Yes it breaks a law or two. Nobody will prosecute it cuz there is no money in it. ......

Let's see, the old site is allegedly worth $7000 resell ,how much is this site worth?
Granted,versioning is a Jamaican phenomenom and JA copyright law i rather new.The key word is "versioning".While nuff Studio One riddims were /are commonly voiced over by singers and dj's in the dance,when it comes to being released as a studio recording,those riddims were always rebuilt ("versioned") ,notably at Channel One in the 70''s-early '80's.There have been cases where someone released something using the actuall Studio One cuts while not being affiliated with Studio One that were taken to court with Clement Dodd's estate being the victors,but I can't recall the details offhand.
So, as has been stated in the past, if a dj has a tune upon a commercially avail. riddim, there a plenty of producers here who can rebuild, or "version" that riddim for them,making their chune theoretically legit.
In a related matter, there's the case of producer Joe Gibbs,who,along with Erroll Thompson made up the Mighty Two ,a production team which ran tings in the mid-1970's.Gibbs remade a song by American country and western star Charlie Pride ,which was not a hit nor likely made much money . Gibbs lost nearly his entire empire in court, and , at the time of his death,was reportedly working as a grocery clerk in Kingston, with Thompson working alongside him as a boxboy.[/quote]

Originally Posted by IRISH MOSS

The Marley tracks, like the Marvin Gaye and Beatles tracks are great fun to listen to seperated and mess about mixing. The problem is you are dealing with entities that are wealthy as it gets and that kind of wealth stops at nothing to get more. Shutting down a little reggae community means nothing to those types of corporate hierarchy.....

What was that again??

Originally Posted by IRISH MOSS

Shutting down a little reggae community means nothing to those types of corporate hierarchy.....

Nuff said.

[steve steppa]

..and this is why, respected brother RAS BRUNO, I apprecilove the fact that I have a rare remix in my posession because of you (LOL !) but...we have to see the bigger picture.
This is the best online reggae community I know of, and if I had a choice between having that version, and seeing this site grow and prosper, I would choose the latter. I'd hate to see this site get shut-down over somthing like this. It's not worth it. No judgement here, just reasoning. We haffe tread very carefully in babiwrong, seen.

[herbanmusic]

Talking about copyrights :Whos turn is to post a remix pack in the colaborations section...Your's, Rob ? lol
Give thanks Ras Bruno

[blaminack]

Indeed that is the coolest Versioning going on anyways!