[admin]

it sure is el bib. I really do not think it will be anything we do soon for sure. Everyone is in the same boat for sure. Gas prices here suck big time. Hopefully with new US prez the oil markets will calm.

[el bib]

fuck me,i cant believe hes still pluggin that thing.last time i visited there he was posting replies to himself.now that is very sad.

[el bib]

my above post is a answer to meefs last post,in case anybodys confused .you guys write so fast.

[Debstar]

I wonder if simply making a "suggested donation" mention on various parts of the site would help a little bit? . As John mentioned its a horrible economy world wide.I myself am not having a good year But I'm sure people have a little bit of "spare change" hangin around.. yes it might be the beer fund but, I'd guess most here would be glad to put a little back in for all the joy they get out of being able to have a thriving Reggae Community. I know I would like the ability to be able to donate what little I can, when I can. If 100 new members sign up each month and even only half donate a few dollars, it would be something.
Bless
Debs

Originally Posted by Dub Flash

However, here are people from who I think that they can help making things better again.

all the kings horses and a the kings men, will not bring back the past again

Originally Posted by Dub Flash

Like my point is in a way that there is only a small step from downloading e. g. here for free and downloading somewhere else illegally. The thin line you know

BWAH! STOP TALKING THE BULLSHIT OF THE MUSICINDUSTRY! For sure: I stole apples in my youth, later I became a bankrobber and killed lots of people. Man, I never imagined to read bullshit like this on a reggaesite.

Originally Posted by Dub Flash

and my idea was only that people maybe need to learn again to pay for music

You wanna be teacher? You are a bad teacher, because you have no advantages to offer for the ones you wanna teach something. Man, "people need to learn to pay for music" I tell you what: I teach the people the opposite. And I like it. I say: See, there's so much free stuff, why buy the industry crap.

Originally Posted by Dub Flash

and by not offering them free legal downloads, it could maybe at least help a little bit.

Just for you I'll upload all my tunes to even more platforms. Gawd, you talk a heap of trash in my opinion. So you think, RDW is basically a wrong thing? SURPRISE: You registered on a site which main purpose is the SHARE MUSIC. Why are you here? Do you allways go to places where you can complain about the main thing going on there?

Originally Posted by Dub Flash

That was my original idea concerning the question which started this thread.

It's never a good idea to go to a pub, telling that beer is not good for health and try to convince people to drink water.

Originally Posted by Dub Flash

All the rest is a general argumentation which of course cannot blame the Reggae Dubwise people here (except maybe some who feel that what I write fits to them ),

Hey,most of the RDW-people have free tunes for download. So in fact you blame them. Because the act against your "teachings"

Originally Posted by Dub Flash

especially since the site isn't online for that long.

What is this supposed to mean? I hope you know about the history of RDW? We are all not just since yesterday in this.

Originally Posted by Dub Flash

Another possibility here would be to make it a strict producers sharing portal,

Bullshit! This site is for reggaelovers. Musicians AND listeners. Currently you decribe the best way to bring RDW down. But you are even getting better:

Originally Posted by Dub Flash

for example people have to explain during the signup process who they are and what they plan to do with the dubs (radio, DJs...).

Is bureaucracy your hobby? I plan to listen to this fooking great tune over and over again. Is this a allowed reason, SIR? Man, you crack me up

Originally Posted by Dub Flash

And maybe no download without an upload.

NO! Read my lips: You must take that DSL modem out of my cold dead hands to stop me spreading music. Some folks make music others listen to it. THAT is the way it goes. Most of my listeners/downloaders are no musicians and I love it.

Originally Posted by Dub Flash

Then there would be no leechers who only grab free music and they would have to go and buy some records again.

So easy? Man you underestimate the complexity of life, existence & stuff. I love the people you call leechers. They are friends of music. They are hungry, I feed them.

Originally Posted by Dub Flash

Am just trying to find a way to rescue the situation...

You are trying to ride a dead horse. You try to stop the time. And this is, sorry, plain stupid. Why not think about what you can do yourself instead of putting rules on everything to stop the time? You just need a new idea and the cash will flow. No idea, no cash. That simple.

So, who of the RDWers joins the "upload no music for keeping up a stoneage system"? I'm excited to see all the free downloads vanish in one week

Sorry if this posting is a bit harsh. It is just, that exactly the kind of stuff you preach here makes the world such a damn cold place.

[Debstar]

Originally Posted by el bib

fuck me,i cant believe hes still pluggin that thing.last time i visited there he was posting replies to himself.now that is very sad.

Serious lameness
LOL

[Meef Chaloin]

Originally Posted by Dub Flash

So, that's the answer? If they don't get the free music here, then they get it somewhere else? So it is only about the FREE music then? Then the whole discussion is useless.

If you (note: the "you" doesn't refer to anyone particular in this post but is a general thought again!) have 10 good dubs, why offering all 10 of them or free and make it easy for the consumer? How about offering 2 for free as a teaser and ask for money for the rest?

Why are you so strongly against taking money for the music? Are you afraid that no one would listen to your music if it's not for free? In that case, what does it mean? Either the consumer is too spoiled to pay or your music is maybe not good enough?

Do you really want "fans" who like your music only when it is free? What kind of fans are these? I really don't understand it.

See, if I take 20 promo packages (MP3) and pass them on to several (internet) radio DJs... how much revenue do I get from this? I tell you: none! So what's the point in offering free promo packages? I really don't see one. (And still, I continue to pass on free promos to DJs who are friends of mine.)

My problem here is: If a free album like Dubnight is downloaded 10.000 times and the current average number of a vinyl or CD pressing is 500 - and that is NOT the average number of sold copies in Europe - then there is something going totally wrong.

I would really like to know how many people would have downloaded the Dubnight compilation if it would have costed, let's say, 5 Euros. Maybe 300 people? That would be the people who also buy the other official releases.

So, that leaves 9.700 potential customers or fans who for some reason are not willing to pay for good music. I claim that a lot of these people are too spoiled to pay for music. That's why I want to make all you artists here (and elsewhere) think about trying to change that f*cked up system.

But as I understand, there is no will to even try out something new. It seems that you yourself don't think your own tune is worth 50 Cents. Sorry, but that's how it looks to me. Am I seeing it completely wrong or do I miss a crucial point?

It's really a pity.

I dont think there's anything wrong with charging money for music at all (i do like to play devils advocate), its just the reality i can see. But ive done it myself, if im looking for some tune for my mp3 player from this site sometimes i wont even listen to one that cant be downloaded, i move to the next tune.

I dont like the fact that its like this but it is, it can't be ignored. Im all for artists being rewarded for their music but some comments in this thread read like they make music to make money, which i think is wrong. How many pop stars would be singing crappy small clubs if they weren't getting all the thousands? I think its important to notice the difference between people who make music for the love and those who make it purely as a means to an end. This is why i dont see it always as a bad thing the way its all gone, the fakers will drift away, there's not the money for them and what you have left is people who love music and will always make it. This is how I think the actual music is being benefitted, progression can only come of it, good music can only be made by passionate people, if there's less fakers & mroe passion....

im not sure how my attitude on this reflects on my music or opinion of it. You're probably right that I dont think i could sell my music, i dont think that highly of it and its hard enough just to get free listens, let alone paid downloads. Im not an established producer with a whole studio in my house....for me its not an option to make a living from music (and i have tried in many ways) and it makes me happy to know that people all over the world are listening to my tunes (being told that my tune is played in a club in Bangkok is quite rewarding to me).

but dont get me wrong, if i could be paid to sit at home & make tunes all day i would be there in a flash - but that's not a viable reality.

But my point is that its a business that has fallen apart. When the miners were made redundant they didnt just sit there thinking "there's no more mines, i cant feed my family", you retrain in something else or find another way of using your skills (not the best example but you get the point). I think lots have a very romantic view of it where as it really is a business.

[ZACHEOUS JACKSON]

Originally Posted by Dub Flash

See, if I take 20 promo packages (MP3) and pass them on to several (internet) radio DJs... how much revenue do I get from this? I tell you: none! So what's the point in offering free promo packages? I really don't see one. (And still, I continue to pass on free promos to DJs who are friends of mine.)

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Greetings Dubflash but i think you are wrong on that as i have stated before in previous posts in this thread about being menbers of the PRS/MCPS . any promo that you send out to legal radio stations for airplay and your track get played then you can track down that and make a claim, they cover songwriters, composers etc, so if someone makes a cover of your tune or vise versa people have to pay for that.. they collect roayalties..if a man or a woman signed to a record company they can make claim through that record company for payment as other organisations cover this...try some research my brother...peace!

[Don P]

Originally Posted by admin

Gas prices here suck big time. Hopefully with new US prez the oil markets will calm.

The rising price of Oil has to do with a huge increase in demand from China and India, and it's not gonna go back down.

The upside is that many green technologies, which were considered inefficient in the past, become economically viable because of this. That's why every car manufacturer is investing in hybrids and even air or water powered cars. Whatever you don't buy a new car this year or next as it will soon be outdated technology.