[el bib]

i cant remember you telling me the tune was shelved until i got your note asking for it to be available for free download,and my post is relative to the thread ,so i dont see it as washing ones dirty washing in public.im glad you like my tunes and i appreciate the airplay and i understand that circumstances change,but i spent three days of valuable studio time mixing various versions of the tune,so am i not allowed to be a bit pissed off.as for payment.i am in the process of setting up a paypal account,which i didnt have at the time.we dont need to fall out over it.personally i like the radio shows and think you are doing a great job and dont see any need for you to break links with rdw.i am sure many here appreciate the airplay.ive been farting around in this business for a while now and dont like wasting time,im no spring chicken now and i like to know where i stand with people.nuff said.

[herbanmusic]

Blessings to all...
I think its the bredrin from "Songs of solomon" that has on his profile :
"Work like you dont need the money, Love like you never been hurt and dance like noone's watching..."
Give thanks
Ras Bruno

[steve steppa]

Originally Posted by el bib

i cant remember you telling me the tune was shelved until i got your note asking for it to be available for free download,and my post is relative to the thread ,so i dont see it as washing ones dirty washing in public.im glad you like my tunes and i appreciate the airplay and i understand that circumstances change,but i spent three days of valuable studio time mixing various versions of the tune,so am i not allowed to be a bit pissed off.as for payment.i am in the process of setting up a paypal account,which i didnt have at the time.we dont need to fall out over it.personally i like the radio shows and think you are doing a great job and dont see any need for you to break links with rdw.i am sure many here appreciate the airplay.ive been farting around in this business for a while now and dont like wasting time,im no spring chicken now and i like to know where i stand with people.nuff said.

John, I can only talk of my personal experience, which has been nothing but positive with SPRINGLINE-JAMAICA, and the truth is that Gibsy was (and is) the first ras to deal honestly with me in reggae "business", and he truly invests time and money with likkle or no return, for the love of the music. Yeah, no release is always disappointing, but Gibsy explained it clearly to me. Maybe he got too busy and didn't explain it to you the same way, I dunno, I can only speak for myself. It's easy to make a record or a CD, but when it comes to selling and distribution......btw- I'm certainly not trying to turn this into a ______ vs. ______ thread because I have the utmost respect for you and Gibsy, and it's very possible that with more resources and networking, SPRINGLINE-JAMAICA can very well become an indie reggae label in the near future, (eh, Gibsy ?) and all the hard work will pay-off, seen ! Everything cool runnings ? Gentlemen, back to the thread topic !

[Debstar]

I hope you blokes can get to have a little chinwag maybe. I know you are both great guys
All this to me all sounds like a bad case of miscommunication.
Love
Debs

[Springline Jamaica]

Originally Posted by alionsonny

So I am taking the bread off the tables of poor likkle Reggae Artists by giving my stuff away for free? Do you think it is that simple? Listen up: If you go to Soundclick.com for example, you'll see, that many people from many genres give away their music for free. It is by far not a Reggaething.
In my opinion making money from music copies was ONLY possible in analogue times where a lot of money was neccessary to produce a recording.
I worked for quite a lot of years as a studio musician and audioengineer for the Teldec Studios in Berlin. And I know the difference between making a pro audiotrack back then and now. I would say the difference is about a few thousand dollars.
Also the products couldn't be copied with ease back then. Haha, I remember the rather lousy sound of cassette tape copies I did from records. It was cool to have the original album, because the sound was not just recognizable better.
Nowadays this all has changed and one would be (again in my opinion) a total moron to not recognize it and act according to the changes.
Friends, it is not the genre that determines if "money can be made with music". It is the scale you do the stuff at. The only reason why Sony, TimeWarner etc. pp. still make any money with music is simple: MASS! None of us likkle musicians, producers, dreamers, netlabels has the DISTRIBUTION POWER of the majors, none of us has the ADVERTISING POWER. What we do not have is facilities all over the world. What we don't have is sh*tloads of cash to invest into advertising, promotion AND production. As a good ole pal named Nu Ras would say: Different level.
We cannot play at the level, the majors play at, because we will never have the cash. How hard we may work.
I see no real way in making money with music, unless you sell yourself and your soul to a major label. They are the only folks who make SERIOUS cash. But they sh*t on art! That's a fact. So either you move away from art to make cash or you are an artist and have to make cash another way.
Trust me: I'm not comfortable at all with the fact that I put most of my time in a lousy dayjob, having little time to do art. But that's the way it goes in Babylon. And never forget: MONEY IS THE ROOT OF BABYLON! It will eat your soul, if you pay too much attention to it.

In the end: I give away my stuff for free, because the only other way would be to sell my soul to Mammon. And that's not on my agenda at all! Fight Babylon, fight Mammon!

Still I will not deny, that even I as an anticapitalist make some cash with music. Recently I did some stuff for tv-advertising and a documentary film. Brought some Euros home. But I would never dream of living off my music... and if I could, I'm quite sure this dream becomes a nightmare.

I understand your point Sonny and money does overtake things somewhat but without it ya stuck ,all I'm saying is that if every single unsigned artist was to charge a few pence per download, just ten pence even ,after a while that artist would have at least a few quid for the labour and I'm sure that from day one if this would have happened all over the net we'd all be used to doing it by now ,second nature,and the charge is so low it's affordable ,problem now is as you've said this music ,all styles- is available just about everywhere for free so i feel the oppertunity has been lost because everyone is used to grabbing it all for nowt ,of course you would Not be taking bread away from other reggae artist's and it's not about the Majors my point earlier),my point is about everybody getting something however small back for the effort,people will either pay or not but it could of been worth trying it out first a few years back then if it didn't sell give it out,I'm talking about the unsigned and uprising star and I'm well aware of how much time and effort go's into recording and producing music,I was a drummer for a handfull of years and also did the footwork and circuit and got nowhere but it would of been nice at that time to have had the internet then and maybe get a few quid in for all the tunes we did via payfor download ,I'm just seeing oppertunity's slip away and commenting but i do fully understand what you're saying mate and for the most part agree with it,Our "old boy" at Springline Uncle Fee (Count Eric sound London circa '68-'80) released a ten inch last year "sho be do be" a five tracker ,nice release, cost him a fortune to sort out and pay license money to Ja to do it ,had a thousand made up...well with everything available as free downloads now nobody want's to buy it ,but they'll take it for free,so it's a good tune then...but he refuses to sell it as a download we've had phone chat's about it and I'm trying to convince him that this is the way forward and he simply will not do that,
fairplay ,but he's still got over 900 copies at home and as Steve said the problem is sorting decent distribution and keeping the middleman cost for this as low as poss..but i feel the bigger picture is simply that all of this is available for free anyway so why buy a record or CD from an unsigned and uprising star ,,,that's why he's still got 900 copies sitting about gathering dust (IMO) but on the other hand I'm glad I can get these free tunes from sites like rdw etc ,it makes life alot easier for radio playlisting so I'm taking it all for free aswell. So now i feel a bit guilty in doing this but without it the station would be defunct ,well with a lot shorter playlist anyway.

[IRISH MOSS]

I'd like to thank Springline for all of the support and generosity they have shown ReggaeDubwise from week one. They have done a lot of promotion for the site and have brought in a great deal of people listening. Thank you much Gibsy. I really appreciate your good vibes.

The option to stream only is on the artist's discretion and should be respected. There is likely a reason they chose that option. Most artists will be happy to send hi quality mp3 for radio and soundsystem. Most artist like to know that someone is playing their music and promoting them. If they have a release out for distribution and in stores it will certainly be a positive thing. I have songs for stream. Hit me if you want something for radio. I was reached last week by 88.7 WLUW-FM Chicago
that was interested in more material after hearing an old dub of mine on Dubnights Vol 2 Compilation. I sent him material immediately.

[DubRifles]

last saturday night in the soundsystem I invited a bunch of wannabe selectors, it was a pleasant surprise they were playing lots of dub from online, Notty-D, YaBass, Messian Dread and many I can´t remember now. Myself I´m done with selecting, what I´m really digging is handling the lighting FX. I think it´s even better than dubbing.

[Meef Chaloin]

yeah, dub for the eyes

[DubRifles]

yes I, check the latest pic in my gallery

[steve steppa]

Originally Posted by Springline Jamaica

Our "old boy" at Springline Uncle Fee (Count Eric sound London circa '68-'80) released a ten inch last year "sho be do be" a five tracker ,nice release, cost him a fortune to sort out and pay license money to Ja to do it ,had a thousand made up...well with everything available as free downloads now nobody want's to buy it ,but they'll take it for free,so it's a good tune then...but he refuses to sell it as a download we've had phone chat's about it and I'm trying to convince him that this is the way forward and he simply will not do that,

Hey Gibsy !
That was one of the first tunes I heard when I first checked out the Springline-Jamaica website (now the blog site) and what a catchy tune ! It has a Studio-One flavor, but modernized, and it's the kind of song that dosn't leave your head. So since that URL-link no longer exists, where can the massive hear that great tune, bruv ?